An Interview With Miguel Serrano
O Star of the Evening
Yephun, Baphomet, Quetzalcoatl, Luzibel!
Humane deep light
Let fall upon us
Like petals of light
Of skies of Autumn!
Miguel Serrano, writer, traveler, diplomat, was born in Santiago, Chile in 1917. His travels ranged from Antarctica (1947-
48) to the Himalayas where he met the Dalai Llama.
As an author he has written a score of books translated into several languages, including "Neither by Sea Nor by Land",
"The Serpent of Paradise", "The Hermetic Circle", "Adolf Hitler � The Ultimate Avatara"... Serrano has served as
Chilean Ambassador to India (1953-62), Yugoslavia (1962-64) and Austria (1964-70) and has served on various
international commissions. He is a practitioner of Tantra and a self-described "Esoteric Hitlerist".
You define yourself as an Esoteric Hitlerist . Please define the term.
Hitler said that "whoever thinks that National Socialism is only a political movement, doesn't understand anything."
National Socialism was always Hitlerism, and Hitlerism always had an esoterical background. At the end of the 1930s
and during the war years, it was not possible or convenient that this theme was widely known. However, after the war
and its apparent loss, there was no other way for Hitlerism than the esoteric development. For me Esoteric Hitlerism is
being possessed by the archetypes of the collective unconscious which the Greeks used to call Gods � among them
Appollo, which really is Wotan for the Germans and Vishnu or Shiva for the Hindus -and its development in the individual
and collective souls of the actual Hitlerist warriors. That means a new/old religion, with all of its rituals and myths which
are necessary to
discover or rediscover. Its central Drama is the aparition on this earth of the Person of Adolf Hitler, the last Avatara who
came to produce this enormous storm or catastrophe in order to awake all those who are asleep and to open the New
Age which will come after the Deluge. That is the reason why we have started to count the beginning of the New Age
after the birth of Hitler. We are in the year 105.
How did you arrive at Hitlerism, both esoterically and exoterically?
I arrived to the exoteric Hitlerism from the political Left, and very much impressed by the heroic death of 62 young
Chilean Nazi followers of my generation in 1938. During the war I published a magazine in favour of the Axis, called La
Nueva Edad ("The New Era"), and then suddenly I met some SS and a little later my Chilean Master, who revealed to me
the secret roots of Hitlerism and "who" Adolf Hitler really was: a magician who had the power to come voluntarily out of
his body and communicate with other unbodily beings. 
Does your esotericism imply any form of ritual or worship?
Yes, it does. I think that we in Chile are the only performed public ceremonies similar to those performed at the
Congress of Nuremberg, like "Autos Sacramentales". But now no more in public. The rituals can be in the Equinoxes
and the Solstices. Also we use individual concentrations, sometimes in very small groups, thinking in our Fuhrer or
projecting the mind in order to fight or destroy contrary enemy's forces.
Do you believe events can changed 'magically'; i.e. ritual magic and meditation?
Yes, is possible, but it is a tricky and dangerous affair. Today the Enemy works mentally usinq the Kabala and electronic
machines ("Takion"), projecting sub-atomic particles in order to control the minds. Yes, today the central war is
psychotronic, technotr-onic and cybertronic. The principal war is a mental one, called "Kama Manasic". This means that
the enemy is intervening in the mental atmosphere of the Aryan, manipulating their thoughts and separating the mental
from the physical bodies, altering the karma and its spiritual development. In a way, the whole world is hypnotized by
these means, combined with subliminal messages found in today's media, as well as drugs and drinks like coca-cola,
pepsi-cola, etc. Yes, mental war can be fought only with a similar type of war. Of course this needs a special discipline
and training, like the Esoteric SS, or the ancient religious military orders of the past.
To what extent does your esotericism relate to Jungian archetypes and the use of symbols such as runes?
Yes, the runes are very important magic symbols, but the code of their interpretation has been lost and its power almost
destroyed by the malicious vulgarization and popularization made by the Jews. It is necessary to rescue them, as I did in
my book Adolf Hitler, The Last Avatara. We must use some of them in our mental combat. However, it is not good to talk
openly about all of this.
In what circumstances did you come to know Jung? We know that Jung recognized National Socialism as a resurgence
of the Wotan "Shadow" of the Germanic folk. Did Jung view the release of this archetype as a positive or a negative
In my book published in England and the VS, C.G. Jung a Herman Hesse, A Record of Two Friendships, I explain the
circumstances which brought me to meet Jung. He wrote the foreword for my book The Visits of the Queen of Sheeba. I
think that this Swiss professor knew better than anyone else in our time who Hitler really was. In the book of Professor
McQuyre, Jung Speakinqs, published by Princeton University Press, three interviews of Prof. Jung on Hitler are
reproduced. One is in the Observer of London, another in an American newspaper and the third in the Radio Berlin, at
the end of 1938. In these interviews Jung stated that Hitler was possessed by the collective unconscious of the Aryan
race. This means that Hitler was the spokesman of the whole Aryan world. In order not to repeat the same, I can tell you
that I studied and explained this extraordinary situation in my book Adolf Hitler, the Last Avatara, published in Chile.
Some friends of Jung such a Lauren Van der Post state that Jung came into conflict with the National Socialist regime.
What were Jung's true views on MS in the later years of his life?
Prof. Jung was an enormous thinker, but he was a Swiss and therefore a contradictory personality. Very different in
character to Heideger, as a matter of fact. Immediately after the war he started to change and made some very
shameful statements about Hitler and the German people. These statements I didn't know until very recently, and have
made me lose part of my admiration for the Jung personality. Also, Jung didn't understand anything about Wotanism
and the runes. I think this was caused by his christian background. His father was a Lutheran priest, as was the father of
Herman Hesse, Holderling, and if I am not mistaken the father of Nietzsche. This fact creates such a confusion and
internal drama, that it drove to madness the last two. The furthest Jung could go was Meister Ekhard and gnosticism. On
the other hand, he was a Freemason as many of the Lutherans are.
Nevertheless, Jung was a cunning and opportunistic man, as I can visualize it today. When Hitler was in full power and
National Socialism on top, Jung coined the concept of the "two unconcsious" which was a lethal weapon against the
Jews and the Freudians. After the war this concept disappeared from his writings in such a way that today it is
impossible to find it in his complete works. I have a book published in Argentina in 1939 under the name of El Yo y el
Inconscieate ("I And The Unconscious) where it is explained. Moreover, Jung took a Jewish woman as a secretary.
In this case, the statement on Van Der Post that Jung came into conflict with the National Socialist regime is totally
untrue. He never had a direct contact with the regime. He only was the President of the Psychiatric Society of Berlin,
replacing Dr Goering (brother of Herman Goering). Jung only tried to please the National Socialists at the time, and after
its defeat to please the Jews. This was never done by Heideger of Ezra Pound. It is because of this fact that I have said
that even though I admire the thinking of Jung, I have come not to admire his character. 
What were the circumstances in which you came to know Ezra Pound? Pound is said to have repudiated his pro-Fascist
views towards the end of his life and to have regretted his former Fascist associations. Is this true?
I met Ezra Pound for the first time in Venice. He was already mute at the time, but he broke his silence with me. I have
told this in my book published in Spanish and German under the title Die Goldenen Band, and again in Adolf Hitler, el
Ultimo Avatara. It is absolutely untrue that Pound has regretted his pro-Fascist views towards the end of his life. He
didn't speak or write at all, therefore it is impossible for him to have done this. I think he was in a voluntary silence in
order that no one can force him to make an unwilling declaration. He once wrote: "Keep yourself to your old dreams so
that our world will not lose hope."
Unfortunately, Pound was surrounded by people who loved him (like Olga Rudge), but didn't understand him. The
mecenas Ivancic, a friend of Hemingway, was also amongst those who didn't understand him well, and they invited to
Pound's funeral the Rabbi of Venice, who of course refused to go. Maybe they were trying to convince the Jews to give
him a posthumous Nobel Prize. What a pity! Anyhow, Pound, Knut Hamsun, Arno Breker and myself are happy and
honoured to be the outcasts and damned in the present Jewish world.
[To be continued]
1. The 62 Chilean NS martyrs were killed by the army and police when attempting a Putsch on 5 September 1938. The
order of the Government was "nobody must survive." The chilean National Socialist Movement, founded in 1932 and
already with 3 members of parliament, was banned and its leaders jailed. NS has been kept alive in Chile by Serrano
since 1978 when he published The Golden Band: Esoteric Hitlerism, and has organized numerous public ceremonies
honouring the 62 Martyrs, Hitler, Hess and Degrelle.
2. Jung's theories on the collective unconscious lent themselves readily to National Socialist and other volkisch
philosophers. Indeed, Jung himself had written, "No doubt, on an earlier and deeper level of psychic development,
where it is still impossible to distinguish between an Aryan, Semitic, Hamitic, or Mongolian mentality, all human races
have a common collective psyche. But with the beginning of racial differentiation, essential differences are developed in
the collective psyche as well. For this reason, we cannot transplant the spirit of a foreign race in globo into our own
mentality without sensible injury to the latter, a fact which does not however, deter sundry natures of feeble instinct from
affecting Indian philosophy and the like."
At an early stage, Jung was associated with Jacob Hauer, founder of the Nordic Faith Movement, whose movement Jung
advised Germans to follow in preference to 'Germanized Christianity', Hauer's activities being described by Jung as
"heroic" and directed by the force of Wotan.
(from The Flaming Sword No. 5, February 1995)
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Miguel Serrano served as Chilean Ambassador to India, where he studied and practised the teachings of the Tantras of
Saivism (followers of Shiva). Describing himself as an "Esoteric Hitlerist", he knew such personalities as Carl Jung, Ezra
Pound and the Dalai Lama. The following interview was extracted from a bi-lingual English/Greek magazine courtesy of
Brother John (Australia). The pictorials are extracted from Serrano's books Adolf Hitler: el Ultimo Avatara and Manu.
Mr. Serrano, could you tell us how you characterise the modern liberal societies and in what extend do these offer
solutions to the higher spiritual searches of man?
There are differences between the modern liberal societies and the old liberal ones, being both - as marxist communism
creations and a tools of the Jewery. It is absolutely impossible that these systems offer "solutions to the higher spiritual
searches of man". On the contrary, these systems were created by the Jews in order to destroy the non Jewish societies
and the souls of the goym.
We know that your integrated personality brought you very close to great figures of literature and science, could you
describe to us - even if very briefly - some of them you knew?
The most remarkable to me was Ezra Pound. I knew him at the end of his life. Me was living in Venice after 13 years in a
psychiatric sanitary in U.S.A. There he was confined for his support of Germany and Italy during the Second World War.
Until the end of his life he kept his ideas and he said: "Be attached to your old dreams in order that our world does not
I also met the Dalai Lama at the moment he escape from Thibet during the Communist Chinese invasion. He was very
young, 25 years oil. I went to meet him at the Himalayas. he never forgets that. and when we met again during the
funeral of Indira Gandhi in Delhi. he invited me to go to Dharmasala. where he lives now. We had a very interesting talk.
It is good to know that before Budism was introduced in Thibet. Thibetans were a warrior' s race and their religion. the
Bo, used also the same swastika of Hitlerism. Until today Intelligence Services of England and United States have been
unable to discover the real mysterious links that existed between Thibet and Hitlerist Germany. Very little after the fall of
the Third Reich came also the end of Thibet.
I Knew other interesting people: Jawardal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, in the political world; and Hermann Hesse, C. G. Jung in
the literary and scientific world. The first two were the most outstanding that I could know as politicians. About the other
two my opinion has been given in my book "Hermann Hesse and Carl Gustav Jung" published under the name
"Mnemes" in Athens, in 1989.
What represents for you concerning the fact you are one at (he leading representatives of the philosophical thought of
today National Socialism, as a political and spiritual movement?
MIGUEL SERRANO: This question I could link with the first question you made me. National Socialism - as created and
introduced by Adolf Hitler - is considered by me the only system in all the history of the world that came to give to the
non Jewish people the solutions against the Jewish systems of economic libreralism and marxism.
Adolf Hitler changed everything. Me put an end to the interest of money and finished with the gold - system. replacing it
by a system where most important was just the work and the workers. The most genial idea was the destruction of the
interest of money, because it is that interest which allows the Jews to live without working, remaining between the
producer and the consumer. So terrible was that for the liberal Jewish system and Jewish marxism if that was necessary
for a World War to destroy Hitler. The interest of the capital is sacred for these two systems.
Centring the social system in other aspects than the economical one and with the abolition of interest of money all life
changed automatically. Then life is able to be spiritualised and the economy is put in a second place. During the short
period of the Third Reich we could see the most fantastic explosion in all the spiritual spheres: architecture, arts,
philosophy and science.
Mr. Serrano, which is the present situation in Chile concerning the National Socialist movement?
The National Socialist movement in Chile is following very carefully the events. even though nothing better to the
Pinochet regime can follow. The international conspiracy has as own archetypes and will apply in South America the
scheme elaborated by the World Sinarchy and transnationals. The international Monetarial Fund andthe World Bank will
follow to impose the plan for the Third World on us. Pinochet was a representative of these international powers and the
actual democratic regime will carry on the same policy until the end. We will fight with all means at our disposal.
What do you have to say about those people who call themselves "National - Socialists" and they just stay alone in a
room with photographs of the past without lacing the problems of today... and without doing anything in order to change
the present situation for the future?
I think that our opinion has been given above. We the Esoteric Hitlerists have for rule the law of synchronicity that
means to work in two worlds, here and there. In the philosophical world and in the world of action. Cannot De a healthy
thought without been able to materialise in action. As Nietzsche said: "For a tree to reach Heaven with its branches first
if must touch Hell with its roots".
What is your opinion about the philosophical work of Savitri Devi?
Savitri Devi is the greatest fighter after Adolf Hitler, Rudolf Hess and Joseph Goebbels. Moreover she was the first to
discover the secret and spiritual power behind Hitlerism. She thought on a new religion and inaugurated in India a
sanctuary for Hitler. She was as myself an anti-Christian, telling very clearly that it is impossible to be a true National
Socialist and at the same time a Christian. Se initiated. completely alone, all which I have developed until now. It is not a
mere coincidence that the Spanish Catholics published an attack against Savitri Devi, Otto Rahn and me. Curiously
enough we were at the same time in India without knowing to each other. It was very late when we started to write each
other. For a week we missed in Europe. I arrived few days atter her death. I think that Savitri Devi will be the major sister
of the all priests of Esoteric Hitlerism. The priestess of Odin.
Adolf Hitler was just a prominent political personality or something more...?
A sentence of Hitler replied by Joseph Goebbels said: "Those who consider National Socialism only as a political
movement do not know anything about it..." C. G. Jung compared Adolf Hitler with Mohammed in an interview given
before the war. Can we consider Mohammed as a politician? He was a prophet with enormous political repercussion in
the world. I consider Adolf Hitler as the greatest personality in the world, and the repercussion of his visions, thoughts
and action would be impossible to calculate today. If we were to think in Indian fashion. as Savitri Devi did, we must see
in Hitler an incarnation of the divinity, an Avatara. The title of my last book is "Adolf Hitler, the last Avatara".
Albert Kami has said, "the 21st century will be the century of faith or it will not exist". At the end the 21st century will be a
century of faith or we will be leaded to the precipice that World levelling Capitalism has being pushing us a long lime?
To be honest I am not very sure about nothing concerning the 21st century. We are in Kali - Yuga, the darkest age. or
the Iron Era of the Greeks, and in an accelerated involution. If we believe in this, it will be very difficultto think about a
possibility of a new faith, politically there is not a solution unless an intervention by the Hitlerists who survived the
catastrophe of Second World War, and who disposed of a new science and technique. We. the Esoteric Hitlerists,
believe in that. It will be the magical operation. we hope and wail for, but that does non mean that we do not continue to
fight until the end for our ideals even if we are very realistic to see the darkness of the future.
As we know you have devoted your lite to ESOTERIC HITLERISM. Could you tell us synoptically - for our readers that
"listen" for their first time to the term of ESOTERIC HITLERISM - what exactly is it?
"Esoteric" is a Greek word referring to God. Esoteric Hitlerism is that which transcend political field and in one or another
way touches the religious feelings and symbols. We believe that it the world doesn't go quickly to an end will be only
because the Hitlerism transformed itself into a new religious faith, able to change the materialistic man of today in a new
idealistic hero where the "beyond life" is as important as life itself. That was the attitude of the heroes of the
Thermopiles which were fighting for honour and duty, for Dharma, as Indians would say. Only if was possible to develop
in different places of the world an heroic attitude and a sort of 0rder of Warriors - Priests of the new religion of Hitlerism,
the world could be saved and materialism destroyed. The Esoteric Hitlerism is a total new vision of the world
(Weltanschauung), a Cosmogonia. The SS tried to transmute man to superman, in Sonnenmensch, or Sun Man. A man
who will be again a God. This in an old Aryan conception which is not far of the Greek traditional thoughts. and of the
initiation of the Mysteries of Apollo and Dyonisos. The Dorian Greeks had a nostalgy of Hyperbores, and so do the
Is the ESOTERIC HITLERISM the coming new religion? It yes, then will it come probably within a new epoch? What do
you have to say about it?
I think that this question has been answered. Of course if there is a possibility of a new religion, it will be Hitlerism. All the
elements are there: the incarnation of Archetype. And when the Archetype is working the human being cannot do
nothing but only work for its success, even our enemies cannot do nothing but only work for its success, even our
enemies are working for that. Nothing can stop the Archetype. Without knowing, we will triumph at the end. But I want to
tell you that I consider that Hitlerism is much more than a religion: it is a way to transmute a hero into God.
Would you like to give us an example of how our enemies can work - cause of the acting Archetype - in favour of us.
against their own will?
Yes, I want to give an example of how the Archetype can work even against the will of his enemies. The reunification the
consuming society and, at the same time, to control the Eastern market and all the socialist countries of the East -
Russia as well - by credit cards and by the electronic transference of money, etc. In this context the marxist communism
system was obsolete and primitive. Then in a question of weeks communism was finished and the Berlin Wall collapsed.
However the Archetype will turn against them. As a matter of fact Hitlerism is racing in Russia and Eastern countries of
Europe and will be strong in a unified Germany, when capitalism and materialism will be collapsed. International marxism
is collapsing now, international capitalism will follow. National Socialism, a non Jewish socialism. will be the solution. But
now will De something much more than a political system.
Mr. Serrano, what is your message to the readers of ANTIDOTO and your friends in Hellas?
My message will be, to fight in the golden Greek tradition of the heroes of Sparta, for duty, for honour and for the ideals
(from The Flaming Sword No. 3, August 1994)
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